Episode 4

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11th Mar 2025

#4 - Peace, Passing, and Practicing Love: Sitting with Life, Death, and the Words of the Gita

A gentle and open-hearted talk on life, death, and the everyday, ordinary magic of being alive together. Maria and Mark share a barefoot morning on sun-warmed stone, revisiting their favorite mantras, trading memories, and inviting you right into their circle. Whether you find yourself restless, hurting, or just need some peace today, there’s room for you here. Hear stories of saying goodbye, growing into acceptance, and how chanting the names of the Divine (in Sanskrit or any language of your heart) can help settle the mind, soften the fear, and make even the hardest moments sacred. The Bhagavad Gita and the hum of the countryside set the tone. There’s some laughter, some sadness, lots of honest talk about grief, love, and letting go. Stay for a while. There’s no pressure. Just a wish for peace in your home, your heart, everywhere you go.

Transcript
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you ready

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I don't know how to sit on this chair

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because my foot still hurts

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I might just

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tell me when you're ready dear okay

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I don't know where to put it

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this is such an uncomfortable chair

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I can move it in here there you go

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not ready

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let's try this way okay

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Namaste

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Namaste Haribol

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Haribol and may and peace be with you

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it's an interesting thing

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and thanks for coming out

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hanging with us I've been informed by the boss that uh

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I ran a little we ran a little long on the last one

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it was supposed to be 10 minutes

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it was like 28 28 whoops

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didn't feel like 28 minutes

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but you know I've noticed that about um

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engaging in this process now for almost 26 years

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and the time can um

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you get a bit of a trance and time

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time just doesn't feel like it's the same

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you're most of the time of today in a kind of trance

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anyhow so yeah

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so anyway we'll start with some uh

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garonga breathing um

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it's your first time here

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it's four syllables go Ra angah

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the length of the breath and you can see

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whose body is more beautiful than molten gold

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and just these are nonsectarian

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non sect uh names

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they're in a language that's Sanskrit

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but whatever names of god you love

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just chant those but if you want to join with us

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that's wonderful and we think at a time

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when there is so much trial and tribulation

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and pain and misery going on in the world that um

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peace starts it has to start with ourselves

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and then between the people closest to us

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and then we extend to our neighbors

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we're surrounded here by so many creatures

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lizards and birds and sheep and goats

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and it's really beautiful that all of life

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everything that breathes praises the Lord

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one of my wonderful teachers once said

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thank you

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that everyone gets to share in this transcendent sound

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vibration

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and if this is your lunch break

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or you're taking a little break before dinner

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or maybe it's early in the morning or late at night

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that we invite you we welcome you to

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let's just be at peace together for a few minutes

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just settle settle down

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and that peace peace starts at home

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it starts in the heart

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and we found that practicing these mantras

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it helps bring a lot of peace into our hearts

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and into our home wouldn't you say

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yeah I was just thinking of

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the first months that we spent together

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and I was still running around like a crazy chicken

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and you kept telling me settle down

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settle down it's a bit of a joke between us though

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settle down I

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I need to settle down too

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but anyway it's a

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yeah so we're just going to breathe in

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thinking of the sound gongan that well

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maybe we'll do

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maybe we'll do 10 of these today and we'll

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I've got another uh

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passage I want to read from Bhagavad Gita

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but um

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yeah you can just sit relax

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take a nice deep breath in

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if the mind wonders just bring it back to the sound

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relaxing the face and jaw and shoulders

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thinking of the sound go wrong as you breathe in

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for a long time

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four more times

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Haribo

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so welcome to Juicy Magic

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on the daily with Maria and Mark

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hello Namaste Haribo and peace be with you

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so

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how are you today

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how you feeling

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if you enjoy goronga

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we encourage you to just give it a go

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and first thing when you get up in the morning

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it's really nice if you can get up a little bit before

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or around sunrise

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I know everyone has different busy lives

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but I found myself and many others

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and throughout the ages people write about those

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those hours between 3:00am and 6:00am and 7:00am

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they're really really

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really quiet periods of time

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and you know you can't always make sounds around others

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if we're in you know

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our spouse or kids are sleeping

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but if you have another room you can go to

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if you wake up in the middle of the night

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don't don't get anxious

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you know just take some time

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you can plug one ear and do a very soft

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goaranga breathing

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and you may find it calms your

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your mind lowers your heart rate

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allows you to go back to sleep or if you're up

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then you can you can do um

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you can do this as long as you want to

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there's no hard and fast rules

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and you may find that maybe 30 40

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50 times a garong

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you really sink and drop and relax into a very

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very wonderful bubble of transcendental sound

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I really like it when you play it all night

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really quiet and just really soft in the background

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we have some you know wonderful

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there's so many incredible

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uh

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wonderful people out there who

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advanced devotees and souls who are

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they've made recordings

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and they're giving music accompanying this sound

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vibration and

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you can put it on I have a CD player where it's

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you know on repeat

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it's not so good with the phone

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you know

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if the lights on or if you don't have YouTube Premium

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then the commercials come on

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it's like ah

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you don't want that so

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um sometimes the old analog way yourself

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the nice thing about doing it yourself too

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is that you can feel the vibration

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I often I really notice it here in my heart

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it said in Scripture

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and all the great teachers teach the same thing

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that the the kingdom of god is within you and in fact

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god the Supreme person comes with you

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you the living entity

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are here in the heart

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and it's what's creating all the energy in the body

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and the and the appearance of life in the body

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as soon as you leave

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the body shows its natural tendency

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which is inert matter it's just matter

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life doesn't come from matter

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matter forms around the living entity

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and the body looks like it's moving around

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this meat puppet suit but it's

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anyone that's seen anyone after they've left their body

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that body is just a just a

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only recently I had the opportunity to see my

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my father's body

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he left his body when I was away from him

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but it's nice I

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we did a lot of chanting together

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and read a lot of scripture together

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and he was a really really good man

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and I'm so lucky to have had him in my life

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but I had a video

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someone took me into where his body was being kept

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before the cremation and he uh

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he was not there anymore he wasn't there anymore boy

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it was hard though you know I

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I was very attached to him and I

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um I still miss him very much

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but this um

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this kind of meditation this kind of information

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that we'll read from the Bhagavad Gita

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and just being engaged in Sadhana Bhakti

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in the practice of love

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and devotion and service to the Supreme being

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the highest form of yoga

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the sort of the ultimate goal of all gyanis

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yogis and bhaktis bhaktas is

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is love for god so

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and knowing that he's gonna

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he's gonna go to where he goes next and and

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but every moment around us there's bodies

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we see them at the side of the road

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someone hits a cat person in a cat body

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I had one of my favorite cats

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it's just a little guy

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and someone wasn't paying attention and hit him

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and our neighbors brought him over to us and he had

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his head was caved in and

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yeah

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I spent a lot of time chanting to that little guy

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and I used to play

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I still do of Goranga meditation all night long

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all day long

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and the people in the four legged bodies

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they got a lot of nice after they've left

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anyone that's had a pet knows they

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they don't often stick around as long as

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a person with a human form

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so this human form is actually a really great

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taking off point

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for spiritual life um

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we have a unique opportunity in the human form of life

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to actually inquire into

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well who am I now

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what am I doing here

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ha ha and where the heck am I going

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oh god you know

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and and we can also inquire into who's God

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and what's he like why did he put me here

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or well that's a whole others

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we can we can do a class just on that

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we can do a we can do a um

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you can do a whole course yes

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it was on the daily but you didn't put us here

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we put ourselves here

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we chose to come here but but anyway

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so just being around this transcendent sound

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it's really nice for ourselves

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but nicely and it puts us into a peaceful state

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which then

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allows us to engage with the people around us

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in a proper way

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and I

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of course

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none of us come to this process perfect and I certainly

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meditation can help you

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remember every little thing you ever did in your life

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that was

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caused someone stress or distress or harm in in body

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speech or mind that you've done

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and that's the beautiful thing about forgiveness too

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is that we can seek to forgive

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and also seek forgiveness from those we may have heard

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or harmed in deeds of body

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speech and mind as one of my great teachers S

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Ingoinka you know

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taught through the process of the Boston so um

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so what's the topic of today

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well we're gonna read from the Baghdad gate as it is

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we were we'd read yesterday from 2:20 that um

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for the soul

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there is neither birth nor death at any time

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he has not come into being

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does not come into being and will not come into being

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he is unborn eternal

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ever existing and primeval

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he is not slain when the body is slain

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and I thought we'd continue with the the next

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2:22 is another beautiful one where

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and I'm going to read the purport actually

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because it's so wonderful

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from divine is Divine Grace

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C s Bachtiverdant Swami propod

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as a person

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this is two twenty-two from contents of the gita

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summarized

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Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudeva

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thank you yes

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we offer our respects to all the teachers and Eishnavas

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end of Bhagavad Gita

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2:22 as a person puts on new garments

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giving up old ones

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the soul similarly accepts new material bodies

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giving up the old and useless ones

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so I guess today's topic is about death

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it's also about life which is eternal yeah

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yesterday I felt like give me a new body please yeah

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and you know

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you can we

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we're not gonna record that

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we're not gonna put the date and days on these dailies

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sometimes we record them as they come each day

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sometimes we do three or four in a day

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and then release them each day

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we hope that you don't have to binge watch these like

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like prime or Netflix you know

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where you like it's just a little augment to your day

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if you feel like watching more

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going back there's always gonna be more information um

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it's never endings

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transcendental knowledge is ever fresh

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it's alive

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it's always

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one is always deepening one's understanding of

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of it because it's it's transcendental

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it's not material material

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you know chewing the chewed

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as they say that the things

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the material things and sounds and places

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they get old

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that's why we all keep traveling around the world

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and doing this thing and that thing

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but this stuff's ever fresh

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so the purport I'll read it one more time

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the estanza as a person puts on new garments

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giving up old ones

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the soul similarly accepts new material bodies

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giving up the old and useless ones

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purport

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change of body by the atomic

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individual soul is an accepted fact

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even the modern scientists

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who do not believe in the existence of the soul

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but at the same time

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cannot explain the source of energy from the heart

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have to accept continuous changes of body

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which appear from childhood to boyhood

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and from boyhood to youth

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and again from youth to old age

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from old age the change is transferred to another body

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this has already been explained in a previous verse

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2:13

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transparency of the atomic

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individual soul to another body

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is made possible by the Grace of the supersoul

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known as the paramatma

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the supersoul fulfills the desire of the atomic soul

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as one friend fulfills the desire of another

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the Vedas like the Mundaka Upanishad

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as well as the Saphata Saphasphatar Upanishad

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compare the soul and the super soul

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to two friendly birds sitting on the same tree

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one of the birds the individual atomic soul

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the Jiva Atma

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is eating the fruit of the tree

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and the other bird Krishna

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the Paramatma the Lord in the heart

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is simply watching his friend

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of these two birds

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although they are the same in quality

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one is captivated by the fruits of the material tree

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while the other is simply witnessing

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the activities of his friend

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Krishna

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Krishna is a name of god

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it means he who is all attractive

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or that person who attracts everyone

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and of course the supreme being

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the supreme personality of Godhead

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he's all attractive he's all opulent

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all wealthy all famous

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all wise all renowned

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and all beautiful very beautiful

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the most beautiful that's why he's called Krishna

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and he's who's all attractive

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or has all the attractive qualities in full

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Krishna is the witnessing bird

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and Arjuna is the eating bird

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Krishna is speaking this Bhagavad Gita

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to his disciple and friend Arjuna

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one of the Pandavas on the battlefield of Kurkshetra

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just north of New Delhi now

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although they are friends

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one is still the master and the other is the servant

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forgetfulness of this relationship by the atomic soul

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is the cause of one's changing his position

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from one tree to another or from one body to another

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the Jiva soul is struggling very hard on the tree

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of the material body

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but as soon as he agrees to accept the other bird

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as the supreme spiritual master

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as Arjuna agreed to do

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by voluntary surrender unto Krishna for instructions

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the subordinate bird immediately becomes free

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from all lamentations

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both the Mundaka Upanishad 3 1

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2 and Svetasvetatar Upanishad 4.7 confirm this quote

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although the two birds are in the same tree

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the eating bird is fully engrossed with anxiety

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and moroseness

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as the enjoyer of the fruits of the tree

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but if

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in some way or other turns his face to his friend

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the Lord and knows his glories at once

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the suffering bird becomes free from all anxieties

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Arjuna

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has now turned his face toward his eternal friend

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Krishna

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and is understanding the Bhagavad Gita from him

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and thus hearing from Krishna

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he can understand the supreme glories of the Lord

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and be free from lamentation

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Arjuna is advised herewith

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by the Lord not to lament

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for the bodily change of his old grandfather

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and his teacher

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he should rather

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be happy to kill their bodies in the righteous fight

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so that they may be cleansed at once

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of all reactions from various bodily activities

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one who lays down his life on the sacrificial altar

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or in the proper battlefield

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is at once

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cleansed of bodily reactions

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and promoted to a higher status of life

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so there's no cause for our junas lamentation

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you have to understand the context here

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there was a great fratricidal war

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which they were trying to avoid at every step

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and every cost of course

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the

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a proper warrior will try to avoid battle at any cost

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but sometimes at some point

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fighting and war cannot be avoided

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now there's no more righteous wars anymore in the world

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they're all political and devious by nature

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but this was 5,000 years ago and there's a great war

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and Arjuna was really stressed about it all he was

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we can also take this meta as a metaphor

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in sense for our own lives

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and that we have this battlefield in front of us

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every day you know

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we have to upkeep our bodies for me

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I have to take insulin and check my blood sugars

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it's a bit of a battle

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it's my own battle

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we all in in other traditions they say you gotta

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you know you gotta take up the cross every day

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you gotta bear your you you gotta bear your cross

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but you try to help others lift theirs

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so here

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Christian is advising us that not to get overly

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upset at the changing of the garments

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the overshirt and the

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the mind is just the mental under shirt

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they're both material and nature

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but we the living entity are eternal

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everlasting and undying

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and so um

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knowing this it can help us

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shoulder the burden of loss a little better

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according to our

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realization of these transcendental truths axioms

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I mean you saw you saw your body

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didn't you see the body of your father after he passed

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oh yeah I I didn't see him for many years

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and then I got invited at the funeral

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and the coffin was closed

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but then they sent everybody out

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and just

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the closest family members were allowed to stay

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and they opened the coffin

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I think his brother demanded he wanted to see him

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so I I was standing at the coffin

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when they opened it and I was able to look at my dad

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haven't been seeing him for so many years

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it was quite a strong experience

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but I'm very thankful for it and I would really

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really um invite you to do the same because uh

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it helped me to say goodbye

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because seeing the bodily form I

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I knew he

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he had left and when they put the body in the coffin

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they close the coffin again and they put him in the

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in this hole in the ground

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and they just put the earth on top of it

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and just I knew he wasn't there

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ha ha I knew he was gone and it really helped me

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so many people don't wanna look at the dead bodies

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and they always keep the coffins closed

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in Europe I don't know

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I think in US they it depends it depends on the culture

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yeah it's it's really strange and they say no

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I want to remember him how he was blah blah but I

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I really like this we watched it on this one show

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and there was this Ruban Ruban

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and he said he never seen a dead body before

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I've seen that body oh yeah

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and actually at the age of 19 I was in India yeah

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at Varanasi and that was a major

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like the sound of a gong going off in my whole body

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when I could see the bodies burning by the ganchis

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I still have

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one of the few analog photos I still have on my desk

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is a these feet sticking out of the flames

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and it really dawned on me that

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that's gonna happen to me

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that they're gonna burn my body

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and it made me really think about who am I

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I think it's helpful to see that the body or it's

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it helps to say goodbye

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and to realise that person is not there anymore

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that person had left

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so in a long time ago at least in America

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and before the industry of

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the funeral and cemetery industry got going

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I used to work I used to work in funeral and cemetery

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services and products for a while

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and great learning there but people used you know

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people would die in the home

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and people would sit with the body for a good day

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it was very common practice to to mourn and wail and

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and sit with the body and

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take a sponge and clean the body

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wrap it

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and then out back

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or to the local cemetery down the road

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you would bury

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there's a great hymn called

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they say

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all the Cowboy Junkies from Kansas saying

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it called to love is to bury

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it's just about you know the the cycle of of the body

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yeah I think

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it's really sad that they take the bodies away so fast

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now they just

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you know so you don't have to by law

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you know if someone passes away

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you don't have to immediately have them come and

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take the body away I mean we don't wanna

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we don't need to go the other way

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the extreme and try to preserve the

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the dead body but

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you know it is good to

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to see it for what it is and

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there's so much death going on in this world

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all the time

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and it can be a helpful

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sobering

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meditation to some degree to see

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you know

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whether you bury it or burn it or dump it in the sea or

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some places

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they chop up the body and put it on the hill for

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the vultures

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the novices in that tradition go up

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and they do that to remind them that hey

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it's gonna happen to you your body

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not you but the body you're in

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and some other traditions

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they put the bones up on top of these long towers

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they're called towers of silence in Zoroastrianism

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in Persia and parts of India

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where the bones get bleached

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and then they get swept down these long tunnels

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so whichever way your body goes

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it's a

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I think it was Socrates who was

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he had been condemned to death

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you know for being a heretic

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isn't that usually the truth

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people that teach the truth are usually called heretics

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and hated

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um

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and one of his students said well

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what do you what

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what should we do with your body

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and he was like what should we do with you

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and he said you're gonna have to catch me

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he knew he wasn't his body

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he was gonna leave his body

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so you know yeah

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I wanna be burned I don't want any place yeah yeah

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you know where I just

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we have fun with this is part of our estate plan

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we actually talk a lot about what we want done

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not much you know

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I just for me

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my grandfather's the remains of my grandfather's body

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my great grandfather's body

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my dad's body are all scattered in Kempton Bay

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north of close to Barry northern

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north Ontario

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North Toronto and uh that's I just I would ideally

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you know if I pass away in Greece

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then obviously yeah

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I wanna change my my my will

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I don't wanna be scattered in the ocean

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I wanna be scattered on the olive trees please

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ha ha okay

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I I prefer noted olive trees

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scattered Maria's body ashes at the

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under the olive tree but just I mean

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try not to make it too difficult whoever has to um no

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there is so many

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there are thousands of olive trees here

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just choose a couple

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and what if you leave your body in Germany

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it's gonna be hard to find an olive tree

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then you have to drive down to Greece

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you see we

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we we we have this understanding that we're not

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we know we're not our bodies and we're not our minds

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and so we can joke about it a little bit

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but we welcome you to you know

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we also know that people can get quite upset um

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we certainly yeah

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it's so funny when people say that this is morbid

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that it's morbid to talk about death

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and I'm like what

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so saying

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it's morbid to talk about taxes with your account

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it's you gotta do it

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so you know

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I I have my idea

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it's not morbid to talk about death no

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no no

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so why should it be morbid to talk about death

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yeah you should cry at birth if you're crying at death

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so um yeah

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for for the that birth old age

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disease and death those are the four

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suffering aspects of the material world so

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you know better to face it than to avoid it

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my grandfather he was I love my grandfather so much

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he was such a cool guy and we had a lot of fun together

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but he struggled a lot

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he was really sick for quite a while before he passed

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and I was with him by his bedside chanting and and

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but he was just crying and he was struggling

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and he didn't want to let go

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he was scared and I'm not judging or criticizing

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but I was paying attention

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I was really noticing that like

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I don't want to be that upset

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that not at peace that frayed at when I leave my

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so obviously I love to help people

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leave their body in a nice way when it's their time

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I mean obviously

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we try to keep body and soul together for the use

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for the service

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loving service for practicing our Arama yoga and

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and for advancing our god consciousness

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and self realization but at some point we gotta let go

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you know at some point

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no matter how many tubes and vitamins

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the body by nature is

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gets old and denuded and broken down

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and you have to leave it

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sometimes really quickly if you're in an accident

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but hopefully

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you can live a life where you can leave your body

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consciously or somewhat consciously

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and those around you can help you

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one of the ways you can help is through hearing and

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and repeating and remembering

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either scripture or Goranga meditation

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we'll teach some other

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we'll offer some other meditations

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we do the guitar the Maha mantra

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the Hindu Christian mantra and japa mala on our beads

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I will chant in your ear yeah

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please do hold hold my hand and chant in my ear

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and I'll hold your hand and chant in your ear

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thank you and you know

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hope we try to do that for every living entity

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whether they're in a 4 legged body or a two legged body

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so um

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yeah we hope you enjoyed today gathering

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thank you for coming out

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we really wish for you peace

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freedom and joy and love

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surrender and devotion as we say that's the kind of way

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the the way up is down ha ha ha

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if you humility and patience and forgiveness

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and gratitude and gratitude

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these are the qualities

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that we really want to try and develop

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while we're in a human form of life

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and most importantly

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our our self and god realization actualization

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Christian consciousness so we say peace be with you

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Namaste Namaste and Haribol we'll see you tomorrow hi

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I'm Mark and oh a stick I'm Mark

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and I'm Maria and this is Juicy Magic

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alright bye bye

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was that No. 3 no that was number four

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