Episode 19

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15th Apr 2025

#19 - Navigating the Ocean of Material Nescience: From the Deck of the Adriatic

A rocking ferry, a lot of waves, and a little grace. We ride through international waters, talk about the vast ocean as a metaphor for the "ocean of material nescience", discussing how difficult it would be to cross without proper guidance, referring to the importance of spiritual guidance and associations in navigating life's challenges and rest in simple practice. Association, hearing, and singing become our boat. We light a bit of incense, settle the heart, and chant Madana Mohana Murari together. Come breathe with us, chant with us, and make home anywhere.

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hey

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I must say

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I must say we bow to the divinity within you

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I'm all peace be with you and upon you

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I'm Mark David Carroll and I'm Maria Curvin

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middle name don't know

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say your full name Maria Katherine Curvin

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yeah you go

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and this is Juicy Magic on the Daily from a boat

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today we're on a boat haha

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I can't every time I think

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I can't help but think of Step Brothers

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that is one ridiculously funny

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stupid movie so funny

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oh you mean the one with Anna Swanson and no

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no no

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no Olivia

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no no no no

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see Riley and Ryan oh no

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that was the twins yeah

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not the twins I haven't seen twins since the eighties

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oh my God

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so we are today we are in international waters

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I think that's beyond the yeah

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let's show them yeah

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yeah go

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go international waters

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a lot of water

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there he is and it's nice

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we're out here getting some fresh air

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because inside you can hear a lot of vomiting sounds

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people are throwing up

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now I'm not much of a seafarer

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but fortunately I don't feel seasick

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which as anyone who has ever been seasick knows

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that is one of the worst feelings in the world

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mind you

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I don't remember ever being flayed in this life alive

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so then that's sure

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that's worse but

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but yeah

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being seasick is such a discombobulated feeling

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and so we've been spending a lot of time actually

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since we've been on the boat

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we're gonna be on the boat for what

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how many hours

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two nights and a full day so 20 four plus 9 31 hours

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yeah

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from start to finish and we're going along with those

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sorry 33 hours 33 haha yes no

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we have a time difference yeah

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there's a time difference

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it's there's doesn't matter more than 30 hours

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so we're on a boat heading up the coast

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we've been through Greece past Albania

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and now we're probably passing

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could be Bosnia or Croatia on the no

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we're not on Croatia and on the west would be Italy

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but we can't see any of those all we can see is water

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yeah we're in the deep waters

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which which brings us to a nice

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in in the scriptures it's often referred that the

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the ocean of material nescience of darkness

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of ignorance is considered so vast

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it's like we look out on the sea here

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and it's just unfathomably huge

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imagine trying to cross this ocean

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on your own endeavor on your own strength

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here we have this amazing boat

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it's incredible it's got a huge engine

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it's got running water inside yeah

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you can smell it yeah smelling good

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got a lot of omitting passengers inside too

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that's true who are praying you know

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that's amazing that even atheists pray

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during tough times hard times

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so how do we so we cross or how it is advised to

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cross this vast ocean of Russians

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darkness is through

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they say that through the Grace of the bonified

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spiritual master we can

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and the wisdom that they give

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that we can cross over the ocean of materialness

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the same way we can walk over a hoof

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prints of water

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you ever seen a dog or a cow prints or a goat prints

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when it's filled with water

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it's easy to step over

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but on our own it's like this giant incredible

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very formidable

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terrifying really ocean if it wasn't for this boat

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boy it's cold and dark and wet out there

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and who knows what's lurking underneath sharks

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we were just listening to a show about the cinder bonds

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in India and Bangladesh

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where there's saltwater crocodiles sharks

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man eating tigers

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whoo

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we could be at home eating a little bread and oil

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watching the sunset I think I'll take the ladder

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I think I wanna throw something in

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thank you

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I think I feel good

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because I have the right association

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that's not something that

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and that's another thing associations

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everything we really

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they say when you're raising kids that they'll

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you know up until 4 or 5 got a lot of influence

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but after that especially if they're going to school

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uh away from home

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they really really become who they associate with

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so and that lasts for the rest of the lifetime

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so yeah so

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how good I pass through this ocean

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ocean of lessons depends

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on the association I have with you

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and then the people we learn

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you know how to cope or not cope

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the habits that we develop or don't develop

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which we end up really relying on during the most

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the most difficult times which as you know

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as my my biological dad not my supreme father

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but he was pretty he was pretty awesome guy he said um

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gold age is not for whims you know

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the body gets does get over it it gets diseased

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it's

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it dwindles and then it reacts and then it disappears

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it just

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all these clay shards

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these reactions and atoms they just they

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they dissipate through the smoke and fire

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we were seeing the bodies burning at Varanasi

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or some people dump the bodies in the ocean or

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some Tibetan rituals

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they let the novices chop up the body on the hill

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while the vultures eat it as a meditation

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you know they bury it in some cultures and some

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they have these combs of silence where they

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they have the bones up top

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where they get swept

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once they're bleached down into the

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into these towers

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that's Solarian maybe either way

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association is key

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and what's most important is to find

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you know

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a long line of of teachers of bonified teachers

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when it comes to spiritual science

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it's not a business if someone's selling you something

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it's still material science and

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although material science can be wonderful

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we also need spiritual science

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and we get that through hearing first

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Shravanam Kirtanam Vishnum hearing

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remembering and repeating

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and the more we remember and hear and repeat

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the more we eat

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actualize and realize the knowledge

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the more that we actually realize it's not no longer a

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someone telling us something that we

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we go on Trada on faith

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but we also then start to go on

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on experience and wisdom but we need all of that

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so why don't we do a little uh garonga

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do you want to do a little call and response

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I was just thinking of the conch shell

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that I heard at Monkey Town

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that was incredible

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and I saw all these warriors that were coming to fight

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Maya to conquer this ocean

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I was just thinking of that

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would like to blow the conch shell

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yes we love to blow the conch shell

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in our morning prayers and offerings

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there's some wonderful magical juicy juicy magic

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activities that we can engage in

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and they say nature abhors a void

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we're not void you're not void

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I'm not nothing you're not nothing

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we are internally means living

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means maybe we can blow the console on their podcast

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well that'd be great yeah

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we can do a lot of things with our artistry

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and some incense and one way that

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you know often

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people feel a lot of discombobulation

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when they're traveling because they don't feel at home

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but we could feel very much at home with very little

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and we brought some incense with us

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and we have a little offering

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and it puts us in this mood of connection to

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screaming and and all of the energy

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and really allows us to be at home

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wherever we are yeah

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whatever chaos is it was quite common

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so there's a lot of well boarding a ship in Greece

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it's not like boarding a ship in Germany

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can you tell him a little bit about how

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maybe we should call it a day

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it's getting long yeah

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let's do it no

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but but we were totally content

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so we were listening to a lecture in the car

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we were chanting and whatever chaos was around us

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we were just smiling and just like

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so I could do I could do a little something in your ear

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which reminds us of our true home yeah

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and you can respond and I can listen very intently

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this is known as kirtan yes

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so

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we're gonna do a nice one called Madana Mohana Burari

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Madana Mohana Murari

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Madana Mohana Murari

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so let me sing it and then you repeat it yeah

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and then I'll listen and you sing it okay

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I offer my respects to our spiritual masters and

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what his Chinese name is

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just like that we feel at home

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and we also feel really

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soothed in this rocking and rolling motion

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and it's a really nice activity to do anywhere anytime

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just two or more

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just tear it on it's the more the merrier obviously

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but you can really get going

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that was fun we just

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all you need are your hands and your voice

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you don't even need your hands

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you don't have hands you can still sing

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and the cool thing is you can use any melody

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any melody there are no hard and fast rules

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just take your favorite song and put in the words

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and sing it no hard and fast rules

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just ending the Holy name

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so we'll see thanks for tuning in today

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thank you for your time your energy and your being

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thank you for Maria

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for holding the camera so nicely

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and we'll see you in Italy

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this is Mark David Curwin and Maria Katherine Curwin

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and this is Juicy Magic on the daily

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see you later have a ball Mama

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stay bye

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